HIV Undetectable

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  peterhansen

  Mar 12, 2015

  [quote]This is a phrase we see and hear often. But some of us (me included) aren't 100% sure of the meaning. I know it means that the person has a low viral load and is healthier(as far as HIV goes) than someone who is positive. I'm unclear, though, on what that means to me. Someone who is negative. Can I still contract the disease from an undetectable guy? What are the odds of that happening? How often. Does someone become positive after being undetectable? Why? Let's get thus discussion going.[/quote]Me and my boyfriend have participated in a European study for several years about HIV and how it infects. It was attended by only couples, but both hetroseksuelle and homosexuals participated and one is HIV positive and the other negative. The conclusion was that HIV is not transmitted if the person is well treated. Taking medicine every day.
  My boyfriend has HIV and I have not. He is HIV Undetectable and take medicine every day. We buns without a condom because I know he takes his medication and that's the point.
  A guy who is HIV Undetectable can infect if he does not take his medication. When he gets measured can he be HIV Undetectable the day and the next day you can measure HIV.

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• BA

  

  BamaMan928Original Poster

  Mar 13, 2015

  I'm glad someone out of 35views replied. I've wondered about the dynamic of undetectable/Negative Relationship. Thanks, bud

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• ME

  Member

  May 3, 2015

  Does this medication have anything to do with the med "Prep"? I've heard of people on Prep as well.
  

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  thumprny

  Jun 22, 2015

  Take a look at the US CDC's website for information about HIV...  http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/default.html/An HIV Undetectable person doesn't mean they don't have the virus, they can still infect you if you're performing risky behaviors, though the risk is less then someone who is detectable..  What it means is that their levels of virus in a certain amount of blood is just low enough to be undetectable.. doesn't mean that they might not still have higher concentrations in semen/sperm or other bodily fluids.  It's also the level at the time of testing, doesn't mean its the same the next day... Be sure to educate yourself about it!!!  Lots of information on line, or speak confidentially to a local HIV/AIDS Clinic if you have questions.

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  Earthling

  Aug 30, 2015

  Thank you for the insight, there are some who think prep makes everything ok

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• GA

  

  gayplace

  Aug 30, 2015

  [quote][quote]This is a phrase we see and hear often. But some of us (me included) aren't 100% sure of the meaning. I know it means that the person has a low viral load and is healthier(as far as HIV goes) than someone who is positive. I'm unclear, though, on what that means to me. Someone who is negative. Can I still contract the disease from an undetectable guy? What are the odds of that happening? How often. Does someone become positive after being undetectable? Why? Let's get thus discussion going.[/quote]Me and my boyfriend have participated in a European study for several years about HIV and how it infects. It was attended by only couples, but both hetroseksuelle and homosexuals participated and one is HIV positive and the other negative. The conclusion was that HIV is not transmitted if the person is well treated. Taking medicine every day.
  My boyfriend has HIV and I have not. He is HIV Undetectable and take medicine every day. We buns without a condom because I know he takes his medication and that's the point.
  A guy who is HIV Undetectable can infect if he does not take his medication. When he gets measured can he be HIV Undetectable the day and the next day you can measure HIV.[/quote]I share your opinion. I take my one Eviplera every morning (never miss out!) and my virus is as close to 0 as can get. I am healthy. Blootests and medical consultation twice every year. If my virus should go up I  would certainly not get fucked without a condom. Till then I love it bareback!
  
  By the way, I welcome more members to the group, undobtedly there are quite a few swingers who are HIV poz. Become a member and share your views.
  

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• GA

  

  gayplace

  Aug 30, 2015

  [quote]This is a phrase we see and hear often. But some of us (me included) aren't 100% sure of the meaning. I know it means that the person has a low viral load and is healthier(as far as HIV goes) than someone who is positive. I'm unclear, though, on what that means to me. Someone who is negative. Can I still contract the disease from an undetectable guy? What are the odds of that happening? How often. Does someone become positive after being undetectable? Why? Let's get thus discussion going.[/quote]It's an interesting discussion. I had a friend from Asia visiting me last summer. He knew I was HIV poz but insisted to fuck me only bare back (he's neg). I asked my doctor and she said that since my virus was almost 0 there would bed no risk. I take my Eviplera every morning. He fucked me daily for three weeks, filled me with his load and is still neg.
  

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  jbearsd

  Nov 29, 2015

  Basically it is this. The virus is undetectable in the blood. It takes a certain viral load to actually infect someone. If you take your medicine daily like you are supposed to it should stay undetectable and you 98% (same as a condom, btw) should not transmit the virus. They say it's more like closer to 0% but because it is science, you cannot say 100%. If the person is on Prep too it will increase those odd to closer or 0% as well. There have been couple studies where the couples were one neg/one poz and in 3 years of the 5 yr study now one transmitted the virus.
  http://www.queerty.com/study-undetectable-guys-do-not-transmit-hiv-to-negative-sex-partners-20140305
  
  
  

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• BE

  

  BearNipGuy

  Dec 3, 2015

  [quote]Thank you for the insight, there are some who think prep makes everything ok[/quote]The reason they think that is because studies are suggesting that it is! http://share.kaiserpermanente.org/article/large-study-of-prep-use-in-clinical-practice-shows-no-new-hiv-infections/

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• ME

  Member

  May 11, 2016

  Great question.
  https://www.aidsmap.com/No-one-with-an-undetectable-viral-load-gay-or-heterosexual-transmits-HIV-in-first-two-years-of-PARTNER-study/page/2832748
  
  There is an ongoing partner study, that won't be finished until 2017. But the current data is looking really good.
  I think someone thought condoms were 98% effective...that is actually not true...condoms are around 70+% effective. The problem is usage, breakage, and the can come off during sex. The most effective way to protect yourself is with PrEP which when taken daily is 99% effective..this is more effective than a condom.
  www.prepfacts.org is a great resoruce.
  This goes without saying, that we should practice neutrality, status is not a stigma, some people are Poz and some negative. We are all just people. We all need to get tested on a regular basis and support those who poz in getting the necessary medical care for their health.
  

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• GA

  

  gayplace

  May 12, 2016

  [quote]This is a phrase we see and hear often. But some of us (me included) aren't 100% sure of the meaning. I know it means that the person has a low viral load and is healthier(as far as HIV goes) than someone who is positive. I'm unclear, though, on what that means to me. Someone who is negative. Can I still contract the disease from an undetectable guy? What are the odds of that happening? How often. Does someone become positive after being undetectable? Why? Let's get thus discussion going.[/quote]I am undetectable poz and my virus is as close to zero as can get. I take my daily pill and never forget it! I would like to invite such discissions/exchange of views in my group Undetectable HIV poz. Feel free to join.
  

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  rydeguy

  Sep 6, 2016

  great question, as a person who has lived with hiv for the last 24 years of my life, I've been undectable throughout the entirety of my condition once the right medicine combination was found for me. I've been with my partner of 15 years and he is still negative and we fuck bareback he tops me I don't top him.  I have several playmates who are hiv positive with undectable viral loads such as myself and we fuck I mainly top others, with those close friends we have shared loads.  My playmates and I all look out for each other and we ensure we have regular sexual health checks (this is usually every 3-4 months) if anything is going around participants are informed.  For me personally I cannot control other people's sexual behaviour but I can control my own and ensure that I'm at my best sexual health and that's what I do.
  
  Information and studies are improving all the time and the current train of thought and it does vary is that long term hiv undectable people such as myself are less likely to pass on the virus as opposed to guys who just try and play with others who claim they're negative, and also guys using prep and good common sense are also less of a threat.   I also think it depends on what activities you engage in as well for example if you use chems during sex some people find they get really sleazy and may lose some of their inhibitions but I think sometimes chem sex leads to less clarity of mind, fisting, rough sex, those are activities that I do not partake in because I always want to be in control and ensure that i'm not putting myself or anyone else in harm's way.
  
  my suggestion is stay well informed about changes in the science behind it, and have open and honest discussions with your playmates to discuss boundaries and you'll be fine, and for anyone if you haven't had a sexual health check get one, some things don't present any symptoms and knowing is half the battle.
  

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